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Ep. 42 Former Military Intelligence Sergeant Donnie Gebert Explains That a Direct Republic Is Now Possible

Like the Matrix, you cannot be told about a 3-hour conversation with Donnie Gebert; you must hear it for yourself. But here’s the blurb from his book: “All members of a direct republic sign…the constitution/social contract. This contract states you will not engage in murder, rape, theft, and basic crimes against humanity. Once signed, the individual becomes their own representative and places social contributions directly into the funding pools for the social projects they approve of.”

(NOTE: Murphy erroneously describes Gebert as an “intelligence officer” in the introductory remarks, but in fact Gebert was a sergeant. The mistake was Murphy’s, not due to Gebert.)





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About the author, Robert

Christian and economist, Chief Economist at infineo, and Senior Fellow with the Mises Institute.


  1. No Name on 06/25/2019 at 7:12 PM

    A 3 hour episode? Really?

    • Dusan Vilicic Held on 06/26/2019 at 3:32 PM

      It’s so good I kinda wish it was double that

      • Donnie Gebert on 07/11/2019 at 11:42 PM

        We talked til midnight. It was a great time.

    • Mike Balsamo on 06/27/2019 at 5:10 PM

      Do you always complain about getting even MORE free stuff?

  2. rotbart on 06/26/2019 at 12:21 PM

    The most difficult, dark and disturbing episode yet.

    The madness that was fictionalized in ‘Catch-22’ and ‘How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb’ is really on display here: no insult to Mr. Gebert intended. There are real things in this world that this podcast should not attempt to uncover… I had to put the cup down for a while, having been too close to these things myself.

    Very interesting nuggests of insight though. ‘Direct communications in government are corrupt’ (paraphrased) was illustrated with an excellent example. That was worth the price of admission alone.

    • ELijah on 06/29/2019 at 9:59 PM

      “no insult to Mr. Gebert intended.” Are you saying you aren’t being pejorative?

    • Donnie Gebert on 08/01/2019 at 9:18 PM

      Oh God, please write a book review. This is far more articulate than i get. =D

  3. Tel on 06/26/2019 at 12:31 PM

    The Norse & Germanic tribes had plenty of war gods, but all of them were gods of something else besides war … possibly because war has many aspects.

    The very old god Týr was a war god … while also representing law, honour, heroic glory, single combat, and the ancient Germanic legislative assembly. Generally Týr is depicted missing his right hand because he agreed to put his hand in the mouth of the wolf Fenrir, thus allowing the wolf to be bound … so there’s an element of sacrifice involved. Slightly more complex; Fenrir was a child of Loki and Angrboða (the giantess) and potentially threatened the whole world, so perhaps Týr also represents the idea of taking responsibility.

    The god Odin came later historically but was escalated to father of Týr. Odin was also a war god … representing wisdom, leadership, knowledge, and power. You can see that both Odin and Týr do represent war, in their own different ways. Leadership does matter … and so does individual honour and sacrifice … not the same … both important.

    There’s Loki and Thor: representing two different ways to solve a problem. Thor is the brute force method (all I have is a hammer and you sure look like a nail) while Loki is about thinking outside the box, using cunning, creativity, trickery and deceit. Sometimes brute force does work … when Napoleon entered Berlin in 1806 it was not by sneaking in the back door. You could see both of these as war gods if you want to … in as much as war involves some combination of brute force and trickery. Loki both causes problems, and solves problems … often solving the problem that he himself caused in the first place. That’s a rather good analogy for technology, also government.

    Then we have the twin Norse fertility gods: Freyja (the lady) representing the female aspect of fertility, also love, death and money; and Frey (the lord) representing the male aspect of fertility, also marriage and good weather. The female Freyja is a war goddess, while the male (Frey) is a god of peace and prosperity. Frey gave his sword away for the love of a giantess; while Freyja married Óðr who represents enthusiasm, madness, rage, and various other forms of emotional excess.

    The Norse also believed in Heimdall the sentry (or guardian or watchman), who represented vigilance, with keen eyesight and hearing, he blows the horn Gjallarhorn as a summoning. Although not seen as a war god, there’s a strong connection between the profession of soldier and guard in times of both piece and war. Someone said, “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance”. Heimdall also carries a sword “head” so he will fight when needs be. The meaning of calling a sword “head” is difficult to discover, but I searched out a theory that connects the horn, with a horned animal that fights by butting heads with its opponent.

    By the way, Marvel do an appalling depiction of Loki, who comes across as dopey, slow, and flat footed. I blame the script and not the actor. Loki was a shape shifter and was the embodiment of cleverness, unique among the Norse gods, belonging to neither Æsir nor Vanir. The writers at Marvel are unable to do justice to such a character.

  4. Dusan Vilicic Held on 06/26/2019 at 3:32 PM

    This is great!

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  6. Johnny Yanez on 06/27/2019 at 3:44 AM

    I was only able to get through the first half and the dude had only one decent idea. He talks a lot but doesn’t say much. Typical government guy. Sad.

  7. Daniel on 06/27/2019 at 6:36 PM

    Best episode you’ve done! Seriously that Donnie guy is a great interview.

  8. Elijah on 06/29/2019 at 10:05 PM

    I found this episode extremely interesting; I listened to the entire episode and when it ended I wished it had gone longer. I’ve listened to tons of Contra Krugman episodes and Tom’s show, and rarely have I ever felt motivated to go to the show notes page and look for the PDF (mostly because I trust that you clicked Krugman’s link, don’t need to see it for myself). Speaking of which, I could have sworn I heard Gebert say there was a PDF…

  9. Not a fan on 06/30/2019 at 3:54 PM

    So much rambling. TBH I have no idea what he talked about for 3 hours.

  10. Dennis on 07/02/2019 at 6:35 AM

    Next level Libertarian thinking. Would love to have a transcript of this episode. Purchased the Kindle book.

  11. Don Lingerfelt on 07/03/2019 at 1:31 AM

    Great episode. I couldn’t believe he said so many of the conclusions I came to as well after decades of awareness. The time went by quickly btw.

    • Mister Slate on 07/20/2019 at 6:27 PM


  12. Brian Brown on 07/07/2019 at 5:10 PM

    To require everyone to sign a contract or be exiled is seriously problematic. I find such a proposal to be very similar to the essence of the mark of the beast in Christian prophesy. The Apostle John, the author of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, describes the mark of the beast in profound economic terms. Everyone must receive the mark in order to buy or sell or else be executed. The world is already on this track. There are all kins of arbitrary conditions placed on people in order to restrict their ability to buy and sell. Just as the Advisory against Job claimed that “All a man has he will give for his life” so the state attempts incremental processes geared toward full worship of its “representative” by allowing processes that should go fully unimpeded. The converse to this is the Christian doctrine “Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another.” A serious problem with contracts is that with time and context certain wordings or phrases can be reinterpreted toward certain agendas. Consider also how Apostle John says in his epistle “You have heard that the Antichrist is coming , even know many antichrists have come.” The existence of antichrists and the eventual last Antichrist who will be in association with the greatest economic disruption of all time, the mark of the beast, will definitely be distinguished with by what John writes “He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.” Authentic Christianity acknowledges that the Christ who existed in times past before his birth was born as the only begotten Son of God. He now reigns at the right had of the Father. This Jesus Christ sent out his apostles with his authority and by that authority Paul wrote,

    “Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law (Romans 13:8-10).

    Now, our world has has this instruction of the liberty of love for nearly two millennia, and great inroads are made when people keep this law of liberty, but the usurpers who cannot acknowledge the supremacy of the Son of God, who reigns in heaven, have run amok to make their own laws in violation of the principles of Christ. Even antichrists will come offering a final solution to disrupting the very antichrist orders that have come previously to make men follow arbitrary laws not based in the Law of Christ. They may even call themselves libertarian, anarchist, liberators, or capitalists, but when they try to create a mechanical solution to dissolve one antichrist government for another antichrist contract, beware!

    • Donnie Gebert on 07/16/2019 at 7:49 PM

      (To require everyone to sign a contract or be exiled is seriously problematic.) Conditionally true. If you will not agree to not murder, ok. Sell that to someone else. Best of luck.

      (problematic) Not a word used to describe a solution; not a word that even articulates a problem, just supposes it; requires validation Point: nondescript language isn’t helpful and is usually a sign that the person critiquing doesn’t understand the problem.

      (I find such a proposal to be very similar to the essence of the mark of the beast in Christian prophesy.) I find your critique based on religion and not actual civil organization.

      I’m just going to say it: no one cares about this. I’m not going to pretend this is worth addressing. I’d suggest you learn about systems operation and tactical ans strategic application of said systems. Everything you wrote is irrelevant to other humans and only relevant to your personal beliefs. Those beliefs cannot be mandate upon anyone because ANY system that allows you to enforce this biblical interpretation would be used on you by people far more savvy.

  13. Rick on 07/13/2019 at 10:20 PM

    Just curious: why are you bleeping the s-word? Is it a matter of not wanting to mark your podcast as “explicit”?

    I find the bleeping to be distracting and unnecessary.

    • Robert Murphy on 07/18/2019 at 9:09 PM

      I personally want it to be clean as well (in case some people are listening with kids in the car, etc.), but yes it’s also the issue of how it’s labeled for iTunes etc.

  14. Casey Carlisle on 07/17/2019 at 5:14 PM

    I like what Gebert was saying about a lack of information coordination. Dave Smith talks about how the hacks in the corporate press all share the same talking points. Seems like it would be a good strategy if Smith talked with Woods, Murphy, Malice, Kibbe, Napolitano, etc.

    Pretty alarming to hear about the simply blatant corruption involving H. Clinton, Strzok’s wife, etc., and he had a great point about Sanders and AOC not doing any pro-bono work for Maduro.

    Really liked what he was saying about abortion, and I think he would like my take on that subject here:

    Just as lawyers rely on complexity, we could do well with just a fraction of today’s economists if the Fed didn’t exist (Jeff Deist).

    Thanks for a great episode.

  15. Anonymous on 07/20/2019 at 8:54 AM

    wonderful conversation – great to listen to

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